Lynette Nam is Senior Legal Advisor at Justice Centre Hong Kong. Here she shares the why, how and what of her work protecting the rights of Hong Kong’s most vulnerable forced migrants.

Suppport for vulnerable forced migrants

Justice Centre Hong Kong is a nonprofit human rights organization working to protect the rights of Hong Kong’s most vulnerable forced migrants: refugees, other people seeking protection, and survivors of torture, human trafficking, and forced labor. 

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Regina Larko 0:03
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And now on to the episode.

Support for refugees and asylum seekers

Today you meet Lynette Nam, she is the Senior Legal Advisor at the Justice Center Hong Kong. In this role, she works to advance the rights and protection of refugees and forced migrants in this city and around the Asia Pacific region. She is privileged to hear the stories of strong and resilient people and work with them to help find safety and hope despite adversities. Lynette is very passionate about using the law to elevate those who are disadvantaged and using her networks to amplify marginalized voices.

She says, and I’m gonna quote you back now, Lynette, this was so beautiful, what you shared with me beforehand. She says: “I believe the way we treat the most marginalized members of our society is a reflection of our humanity and values.”

Lynette,Welcome to #impact podcast. It’s such an honor to have you here.

Lynette Nam 2:31
Thank you for having me.

Regina Larko 2:34
Lynette, Justice Center is a nonprofit in Hong Kong. And it’s been on my radar for the longest time, I think ever since I started the podcast. But I’m really grateful to my listeners, because they kept – as I asked them, who should be on the show – they kept referring back to Justice Center and your amazing work.

Do you want to walk us back to what attracted you first, to start working with Justice Center? And what you’re doing there to support the marginalized groups?

Law as a tool for good

Lynette Nam 3:08
Yeah, sure. What attracted me to Justice Center, I think is I suppose I need to take you know, two steps back to talk about what attracted me to this area of work in the first place.

And I think it really goes back to my university days. I was studying law at university and I was studying law, mainly because I come from an Asian family where parents expect the child to either study law or medicine, when you do well enough in high school.

So I found myself studying this law degree, when I really wanted to be a journalist, say or writer.

You know, it wasn’t really something that spoke to me initially, until I sat in on a course on refugee and immigration law. And this is in Australia. And at that point, there was a practice and there still is a practice of, say, immigration detention. And I started to learn about the laws and policies that facilitate this.

And I realized that law is a tool. And it’s a tool that could be used for oppression. But it can also be a tool that can use be used for good and for change. And I realized then that the profession that I was falling into, that I involved myself within was one that is both something that could be used dangerously or something that could be used positively and creatively and meaningfully. And I wanted it to be the latter.

So when I finished my law degree, I set myself a goal. And I wanted to work within a sector where I felt like I could connect with people and where I could use law to effect positive change.

And when I found myself in Hong Kong, I started looking around. And I realized what Justice Center did and does fulfills a very important gap within Hong Kong. I think within Hong Kong refugees and asylum seekers tend to live a fairly invisible existence, in terms of the services that caters specifically for their needs, and know the legal help available to them. It’s just quite limited.

And Justice Center is the center where our doors are open, people can come receive their help that we can provide to them. You know, we give them legal support from the day they step into Hong Kong, until the day that they leave. And we ensure that the other aspects of their lives are also addressed as well.

The human element of their work

There is such a human element to work that we do, it was something that attracted me immediately. So I actually, when I first arrived in Hong Kong, I sent an email to Justice Center for volunteering my time on weekends, and they turned me down, they said, Look, you know, we only work with volunteers who are here full time, and who can, you know, at least commit to a certain duration, which I fully understand now, because I’m now in a position where, you know, I handle recruitment, as well.

So, we do get fairly, very passionate people who reach out to us offering their time and weekends. And it’s something that, you know, obviously, is difficult to facilitate but eventually, I stuck to it. And I was given an interview for a position. And, you know, here I am, so many years later, working for the center and seeing the value, and the real human impact of the work that we do.

So that’s what keeps me here as well, you know, being able to use my legal skills, my experience within the law, to help people and to get to know them, and to be just even a small part of a positive change within their lives. And for them to be able to step forward and take control again of their lives. It’s something that’s wholly fulfilling to me.

SDG 16 – Target 16.3. Ensure equal access to justice for all

Regina Larko 7:24
Yeah, and this really brings us to SDG 16. If you’ve been following #impact season five, you know that we are addressing the Sustainable Development Goals this season. And Justice Center is directly contributing to SDG 16. That is peace, justice and strong institutions. And in particular target, I looked at up 16.3, to ensure equal access to justice for all.

I think that, you know, these goals are so audacious and it’s so good to have this to do list for the world how to make a world a more fair and equal place. But I love to really see how does it come to life? How are organizations actually taking action? So when you’re looking at this, target 16.3 equal access to this legal support for all, how do you at Justice Center do that? Could you give us like a concrete case study or example?

How you would then a case you’re working on? Right now in the past that you are free to share? I know, I’m sure there are a lot of cases that you actually should not publicly share about. But is there maybe just a framework how you would work with refugees to help our listeners understand also, what it actually is that you’re doing?

Equal access to justice in an inclusive society

Lynette Nam 8:57
Yeah, yeah. And thank you for pulling that into the goal. I think it’s one that we very firmly stand with and work towards.

Access to justice is one thing, equal access to justice is what we’re trying to achieve, and also an inclusive society as well. And I mean, I think when you start looking into how things are in Hong Kong, there is a whole lot of inequality, and attitudes that are very much less than inclusive. And this applies as well to access to legal services. So there are many organizations doing very important work in providing the access to justice within Hong Kong.

But when say asylum seeking asylum seeker arrives in Hong Kong say you arrived in Hong Kong, and, you know, you arrive at the airport and, you know, you can’t go back to where you just fled from and you just need a place of safety and safe haven. What do you do? There is no information, there is no hotline, you can call, and there is no, this is the legal procedure that you need to follow.

So what Justice Center does is we provide information right from the get go. We have information on an app, we also take calls from people when they first arrive, to say, when they have no idea what’s going on, to provide legal information and help so that they’re not immediately sent back to a place where they will be in danger.

But that help continues all the way through to when we are able to finally meet them in person, understand the exact needs, understand what’s happened, why did they have to leave everything behind to, you know, rebuild their lives in a foreign city, and we sit them down and assist to prepare their case, ensure that their story is told accurately, in a way that will best address a legal criteria that will earn them the protection they need.

And to along the way, ensure that they have access to counseling, if needed, they have access to housing, have the access to food, have access to healthcare, and feel supported, and feel like they’re part of a community the whole way along.

Managing expectations

And unfortunately, in Hong Kong, it is quite a long process. Initially, within the immigration, decision making, the success rate of an asylum claim is less than 1%. It’s something like 0.45% at the moment. So you can imagine we have to also share this information when people first arrived, you know, they asked us about the process. And once first thing we have to say is less than 1% of people are successful before the Immigration Department, it’s likely you have to then go through the appeal process where there’s also less than 1% of success, then you might have to come before the High Court in judicial review proceedings. So managing that expectation is something that we do as well.

But fortunately, within Justice Center, our success rate is much higher, the people who we work with, you know, tend to be recognized at a much higher rate. And out of all the cases that have been successful in Hong Kong, one out of three, are Justice Center clients. I think that gives us some context to the amount of dedication our team has in terms of providing the best support that we can. And in terms of the impact of the work that we do, in terms of just getting people to a very basic level of safety. But in terms of equal access to justice, there is a long way to go. But we try to do everything we can for each case that comes before us.

The impact of their work

Regina Larko 12:56
What an accomplishment, I mean, can we just take note of one in three – was that what you said, I always mix up the numbers remind us of that again, I really want to repeat that one in three. And so I mean, that must be that must be so rewarding. I can’t imagine even though the numbers, you know, we’re looking at the numbers, and we’re looking at the impact that you are making. And I love that how that number when you go on your website that I encourage everyone to do as they’re heading over there to support your work. And you can really see that numbers go up up up up, the people that you supported and the impact that you made on just people that you worked with in 2020.

So in 2020, you supported 285 individuals made 19 asylum claim approvals possible. I mean, just knowing now how small the number actually is that would get through. Maybe if you would just see the number 19 it might not look much, but now if you know the context of it, I mean, I am amazed that 19 lives changed right, there.

Lynette Nam, Senior Legal Advisor at Justice Centre Hong Hong. Photo Credit: Justice Centre Hong Kong

Lynette’s personal experience

Is that a motivation for you personally? Or how do you balance between, I guess, and I read that in a beautiful article and interview that one of your former, was that an intern at your center, did where you said that the most challenging parts about your work, I guess, with these marginalized groups is that you’re constantly balancing between sustaining hope and managing expectations. I guess not just theirs, but maybe also yours. So on a day to day basis, how do you cope?

Lynette Nam 14:54
Yeah, and I mean, you’re quite right. You know, when you look at the number 19 It looks like quite a low number. But looking at the context within Hong Kong and the number of claims that are actually successful, you know, we are proud of that number, and every single one is a man or woman, a child who is then able to go on, and start thinking about how to move on and have safety and have that support to, you know, rebuild their lives and become their full potential.

And I mean, I tend to step away from the numbers, I think, what enriches my day to day within work within the work that I do. And what really brings me back is the people that I meet, you know, the people that work with our clients are some of the most resilient, strong, intelligent people that I have met, and they’ve overcome so much to be where they are, and they have to stay so strong for so long, and remain so hopeful for so long.

Surviving the system

In order to survive the system, I know, where the lack of better words actually survive this system within Hong Kong. And it’s a source of inspiration to me, you know, I think, it teaches me how I want to be if I met with adversity, and I guess the thing that fulfills me the most, is not only when we can share the good news and celebrate with people when they have been successful, and they have gained the recognition that they need safety and protection, something very basic, you know, winning, that is a win.

But beyond that, you know, I see people who have come to us, in a state of just unraveling, you know, people who are desperate people who have experienced some of the most atrocious things you can think of, and who find it even difficult to speak, you know, and you meet with these, you meet with these people, on a day to day basis, sometimes, or at least weekly, to get to know what made them leave, and how can we help you and support them through a process at the end of it, they are able to step away from that, and are able to regain their old identity back, be a confident person, seeing that change from someone who is still steep in the trauma that they experienced to someone who can step out of it and start thinking through what they want to do.

Making an impact beyond numbers

And therefore potential is something that is so incredibly fulfilling. And that doesn’t mean they need to be successful in their case. I’ve worked with a woman who have experienced child abuse, and then domestic violence and sexual abuse. And her passion is in poetry, but she never explored it and within Hong Kong, and with the encouragement of our staff, she was able to engage in that aspect of her identity that she never found time and was, you know, just not in the right place to do in her home country. And within Hong Kong, she has used it as a form of expression, and has now won a poetry competition, and she has been asked to speak and read a poem out loud before an audience – something that she would have been terrified to do. But she can now confidently speak out about her past abuses and use it to inspire other women.

So even though her case is still working its way through the system. Just seeing that change is something that’s incredible to me. And it’s possibly that that fulfills me the most seeing people outside of the numbers, and seeing them become themselves again, become who they could have been if everything that happened in their past hadn’t happened to them. So I think that’s what pulls me back. And that’s what really keeps me in this line of work.

Regina Larko 18:58
That’s the impact you’re already making. And I love how you, thank you so much for sharing this, this personal story. I would love to hear that poem. Is there any chance we get to hear that poem somewhere? Was it recorded there that day?

Lynette Nam 19:13
Actually, there is an event coming up where there is a live poetry reading of it, something that I can share, but I think it might actually be in just a few weeks time so we might be too early for this podcast.

Regina Larko 19:29
We will follow up with it. And you know, maybe maybe we can have some more stories like this in the future as well. On the Justice Center podcast, I would love for it to come to life and really give, as you said these are the voices that are that are not heard.

It’s so important to give them the platform to share the stories and Lynette to me I find it really moving how actually your passion that you shared beforehand that maybe you were not keen to study law at first you were more interested in journalism and and this kind of communication side of things, but you are now, actually you are living this right?

I mean, you are engaged in these stories, and now you’re sharing it with us and our listeners, and what is something that I think I need to understand better as well. And I’m sure our listeners too is just to put ourselves in their shoes for a minute to really understand how is a day in the life of an asylum seeker in Hong Kong.

And I love that you’re regularly bringing this up with a campaign. And I’m very happy that our listeners are just in time to if they’re listening, as we release this episode in October 2021, they have the chance to join this campaign. And I want you to share more about it with our listeners, what it is all about, where people can really step into understanding certain challenges of an asylum seeker faces in Hong Kong.

Hungry for Change Campaign all through October

Lynette Nam 21:06
So we have an exciting campaign coming up, and it is going to be online throughout October, the campaign is called “Hungry for Change”. And within that campaign, we are inviting you and everyone within Hong Kong and elsewhere, to step into the shoes of an asylum seeker within Hong Kong, and live within the food budget that is given to someone who is seeking asylum in Hong Kong, and that is 40 Hong Kong dollars a day.

And we invite and encourage you to live on that budget for three days in a row and share your experiences on social media as you try to live within that budget. And this campaign is really a way for us to raise awareness of the very, very limited social welfare provisions within Hong Kong. And the forced poverty really, that is imposed on people seeking protection within the city.

And something that I don’t think I mentioned before is that, you know, when you are seeking asylum in Hong Kong, you are not allowed to work. So there’s no way for you to support yourself and your family. And although many of the asylum seekers here are professionals, you know, we work with people who are lawyers and journalists in their home country, or teachers, or people within, you know, who have skills who can contribute, they’re not allowed to work within Hong Kong, and many of them due to circumstances from which they fled, do not have access to their own bank accounts in their home country, or otherwise, in Hong Kong and stranded without financial resources, so they are forced to live within the social welfare provisions provided by the Hong Kong government. And unfortunately, that works out to be 40 Hong Kong dollars a day for food.

So yes, the “Hungry for Change” campaign invites you to take up that challenge. You know, experience what it would be like, and, and share it with your friends and family. And as part of that, we would also encourage you to fundraise for our center as well, and the social welfare work that we do, in terms of helping people access just basic levels of social welfare. So not just access to food, but to housing, to health care, to education for children, and addressing the gaps that very much exist for asylum seekers in the city.

Regina Larko 23:40
And just for our listeners outside of Hong Kong, that 40 Hong Kong dollars translate to around 5 US dollars a day. And you have to know that Hong Kong is just such an expensive place to live.

If you’ve never been Hong Kong, you probably don’t know how how, how difficult it actually is to get by with with this. No matter when you’re listening to this you can challenge yourself to that every day and not just during the “Hungry for Change” campaign. I actually love that tagline – Hungry for change. We’re definitely hungry for change here at #impact podcast.

But just in general, if we I think oftentimes, we are so busy with ourselves that it’s really hard to even understand what other people are going through, especially if we don’t know anyone that is in that particular situation. So I think a lot of it is actually just raising awareness for it and hearing those stories from you, Lynette from your team from your beneficiaries.

An article with impact – Honeycomber’s feature story featuring Justice Centre

And that’s why I’m also very grateful for the amazing team over at Honeycombers to share in collaboration with #impact a really really touching and insightful article, how it is from the perspective of one of your beneficiaries, how it is for them here in Hong Kong.

And I encourage everyone, I’m going to put it in the show notes so that you can go over and read that article as well. And head over to Justice Center. And support.

You know, I mean, that’s what you can do to make an impact here today.

I want to really dig deeper here, Lynette, because I have heard your share now, how you’ve come to start working for, for this organization. I hear you share, what keeps you going. But, you know, what I was asked recently in an interview was where this unbroken optimism for actually being able to change the world comes from, they asked me that, because I know I’m like this hopeless optimist, I really believe in the good of people, and that the good would always win in the end, you know, like in that fairy tale, or in that perfect hollywood movie, where, in the end, everyone lives happily ever after.

Of course, life is not like that. But I believe that there is really potential for everyone to contribute to making the world better. And you know, what I came up with, when I was asked that, I just had to think of my great grandmother, because she was such an inspiration to me. And she was just this amazing, positive, kind person.

A role model that keeps Lynette going

And that brings me to something you shared with me beforehand about your biggest role model. And that is your dad. Right? Yeah. How has your dad impacted you in being the person that you are today?

Lynette Nam 27:12
Yeah, no, thank thanks, Regina. I think I might not have shared this with you. But my dad actually passed away last year very suddenly. And I think it’s given me a lot of cause for reflection. And it has made me realize that all through my childhood and young adulthood, up until this very day, he has been my inspiration.

And my achievements, I do it because he has this sense of pride about me and supports me in everything that I do. But in terms of that optimism, he is an optimistic person, he was a very optimistic person. And the way that he looks at the world, and everything that’s bad within it, he is able to take all that and still, you know, exude a sense of, you know, optimism about our day to day.

And I mean, I guess I’m not expressing myself very well, because it is quite an emotional topic for me when it comes to my dad, but what he did teach me is that, you know, this is the one life that we have, in every moment that we have, we should live it, and we should live it with presence, and we should live it with meaning. And we shouldn’t shy away from that. I mean, I think one thing that I now know, having, you know, worked professionally for so long is that life can drag you in all directions.

And the easiest path to follow is sometimes is sometimes not the most meaningful path or the path that most compels you. And it is difficult to keep chasing meaning and to keep chasing value in your work. You have to forego securit, stability you have to forego what a lot of the time people see as traditional metrics of success in a career. But I think my dad allowed me in the way that he always supported me and always valued, you know, my untraditional aspirations. He allowed me to explore a career path that is less than traditional, especially within an Asian society. So you know, he, he has and will always be a big inspiration to me.

What’s next for Justice Centre Hong Kong?

Regina Larko 29:49
I think we hardly ever take time to like really acknowledge that. Thank you for taking a moment to to share that as well. I think this is something no matter where you’re listening to right now. And no matter on where in which stage, you are with your own change making journey, I think we can all dig out so much of that from within us, right?

We carry it with us, the answers are already there, I often feel, and maybe we are just making it more complicated because we are thinking too much. I know I’m like going totally off topic here now. But it’s I know that this will resonate with our listeners too, to go deep as well within within themselves.

When we’re looking at your work, though, is there something that for this year, and now we’re in year two of this pandemic, where you feel you set yourself maybe a little goal, or an ambitious goal, where you would love to see Justice Center, go, despite all the challenges, because I’m sure you have faced them as well.

How you actually get to the people, how can you have these conversations? I can only imagine how many, maybe courts were closed or delayed, because there is pretty much you can blame everything on the pandemic, right. And all of a sudden, like official offices are closed, or also what I know, of course, impacted your work a lot is with the new legislation coming in. So moving forward, where do you see Justice Center going?

Lynette Nam 31:51
It has been quite a difficult couple of years for the center. COVID, as you mentioned, has been extremely disruptive, we’ve had to pretty much remodel our services, when we couldn’t open our office due to public health restrictions. So we’ve, you know, look to technological solutions there.

It’s been difficult with the new legislation that’s coming in August, you know, it imposes some more procedural barriers to people seeking protection, and it also expands detention powers. So and we’re seeing a corresponding increase in the use of immigration detention, to detain asylum seekers in Hong Kong. And that’s, you know, just where we’re moving towards.

So we guess within that context, and when you look at the bigger picture of the world as well, within our region, displacement coming out Myanmar is increasing, not only with the Rohingyas, but with other ethnic communities, all along the northern ends of Myanmar.

And then you look more broadly, to the situation Afghanistan, and the displacement situation there. It’s just, it’s hard to be optimistic. But just taking this all back to what we’re trying to do within Hong Kong, you know, we try to steer a steady ship for the people who do access our services, we want to provide the best quality legal services to the people who come to us.

We want to look at alternative pathways to durable solutions for people within Hong Kong as well, knowing that is a very protracted, indefinite wait for people here, especially with COVID. And with travel restrictions, people here are stranded for much longer than you could imagine. You know, we have families who have been in Hong Kong for decades, where the children were born in Hong Kong are now becoming adults, and they don’t know anything else, but a life of displacement.

So looking at alternative solutions to the traditional legal procedures, we are also looking to engage the refugee community more directly and actually focus on giving them a voice and giving them the platform, in advocacy, in communications in engaging with the broader public.

We may know the law, but they are the experts when it comes to what it is like and the issues that they face and what needs to change. They are the experts. So I think one focus of the center is to move towards giving them the microphone and letting them speak and taking a step back and supporting that as well.

So those are some of the directions that the center is going towards. Obviously preserving our services that we see as key in terms of addressing gaps but you know, really bring out the community. We can see that as important and somewhat lacking in this space.

Regina Larko 35:07
Lynette, you probably know that every guest on #impact has to go through that quick fire round. And what that means is that I will give you three quick prompts. And you can give me your three quick answers. Are you ready for this?

Lynette Nam 35:30
I think so.

Making an impact means…

Regina Larko 35:33
Lynette, making an impact means

Lynette Nam 35:42
doing what you can and using your skills to do what you can for the people around you.

Regina Larko 35:50
Who inspires you in the way they are tackling the Sustainable Development Goals?

Lynette Nam 35:58
I think one network that I am a part of is the Asia Pacific Refugee Rights Network (APRRN). And within that network, there is a growing movement, and a specific emphasis placed on refugee leadership. And I think in terms of working towards an inclusive society, that is one of the most important things in terms of bringing out leaders from people’s lived experiences. So yeah, let’s just say, what APPRN is doing to bring out refugee leadership and bring that within the SDGs.

Be part of the conversation

Regina Larko 36:38
Yeah, that sounds amazing. Let’s, I will put a link to their organization in the show notes as well. And now, Last, but not least, to encourage all our listeners that have been inspired by the stories you shared, what could everyone do right now to make the world a better place?

Lynette Nam 36:58
Right now, I think the first thing you can do is go onto the website of Justice Center and sign on to be part of the conversation, you know, speak to us and learn about us.

But more importantly, learn about the issues and experiences as they are experienced by the people who are forcibly displaced. And not just from mainstream media, and fact check everything that you see and be part of the conversation. And when you are at a dinner party, and someone says something that doesn’t seem quite right, correct them or challenge them to a conversation or debate.

I think many of you will agree, misinformation is one is a very serious issue in our world today. And is definitely an issue that, in the end affects how we see refugees and forced migrants and the policies that then apply to them. So be a part of that conversation. Engage with us. So you know the facts and challenge anyone who is saying things that don’t seem right.

Regina Larko 38:02
I love that. And that’s. So that’s really something you can start with today within the next conversation you’re having and if you’re now on your phone on your computer, it’s very easy also to head over to the Justice Center website. That is, can you remind us of the website Lynette so that everyone can head over there right now?

Lynette Nam 38:24
Yes. It’s www.justicecentre.org.hk

Regina Larko 38:31
And I really love your sharings on social media as well. So make sure that you find Justice Centre Hong Kong, on on the socials as well. Where would you save your most active? Is it Facebook is Instagram where we’re sending people through now?

Lynette Nam 38:48
Facebook, Instagram, and LinkedIn, and Twitter. We have a very active communications officer, so all those platforms/

Regina Larko 38:59
Dear your listeners, wherever you are most active at , Justice Center will be there. So make sure that you follow their journey. Make sure that you check out the Honeycombers article as well to hear like Lynette said, so important to hear the stories from their beneficiaries as well.

And Lynette I’ll be there always, you know it with my support to making sure that we get those voices heard on the Justice Center Podcast coming to you in the future. So that, that we give that we give more space to these stories. And today, I just want to say a huge thanks for for taking the time to sharing your story with us. Lynette Thank you so much.

Lynette Nam 39:45
Well, thank you very much for having me. It’s been it’s been fun chatting and it’s always good to, you know, let me vent. Nice to talk about things I care about. So thanks very much, Regina.

Regina Larko 40:00
A big thanks to our guests Lynette from Justice Center, Hong Kong and also to her colleague Preston, who supported us with communications along the way.

A special thanks goes to Elizabeth and for Fashila, from Honeycombers Hong Kong that made creating this episode such a rewarding experience for us here at #impact. It was amazing working with you all. And I hope we can repeat it.

The day we recorded iwas a hard day for me personally, as I had just received some devastating news from a friend in Austria. But as always, sitting down for that conversation, hearing about the work Lynette does, hearing why she does what she does, it gave me so much comfort, and hope that we all have it within us to make decisions that will leave a positive mark in this world. Thank you for that Lynette.\

If you feel inspired by what you heard, make sure to connect with Justice Centre. And check out that Honeycombers article as well. You find all the links in the show notes of this episode.

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